Democrat strategist James Carville told Democratic National Committee (DNC) Vice Chairman David Hogg during a podcast Wednesday that his attempt to take down fellow Democrat candidates is “jackassery of the highest level.

Democratic strategist James Carville and Democratic National Committee vice chair David Hogg sparred over the best strategy to help the party win elections in a heated debate on Wednesday. Tensions between the two began weeks earlier when Hogg announced plans to spend $20 million through his political organization Leaders We Deserve to primary-challenge older Democrats in blue districts.